advertise

Go Back   CGFeedback > CG Forums > Technical Area

Technical Area Post your technical questions here.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 22-02-2010, 07:16 AM   #1
tonytrout
Veteran
Points: 117,190, Level: 100 Points: 117,190, Level: 100 Points: 117,190, Level: 100
Activity: 9% Activity: 9% Activity: 9%
 
tonytrout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 985
Real Name: tony
Default Modelling a mean ruffle and ncloth



A asked Tomaya this question on his WIP thread which was probably a bit rude (sorry tomaya) so I thought i had better ask it here for any experts on nclth

Im trying to model a baby doll negligee with ruffles on the bottom for my pinup entry. Now I can rustle up a pretty mean ruffle modelling it on the flat in 15 minutes but modelling it on the bottom of a heavily folded and drapped negligee is almost a poly by poly exercise for me. I was wondering how to do this in ncloth without having the ruffle fall to bits while getting a fluid drape in the main negligee part. Model separately afterwards (painstaking), paint some attribute on the ruffle so it holds its shape but conforms to a more fluid drape on the negligee with a couple of simulations. Do I model the ruffle separately and constrain it to the negligee somehow, model it as part of the negligee. Can you piggy back a stiffer simulation on a more fluid one somehow? So many questions, so little idea
tonytrout is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-02-2010, 02:33 AM   #2
Tomaya
Senior Member
Points: 10,736, Level: 68 Points: 10,736, Level: 68 Points: 10,736, Level: 68
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 
Tomaya's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Lille , France
Company: Digital District . Paris
Posts: 278
Real Name: Thomas Marqué
Default

Hey tony !
Yes , interresting ... ...first it would be really nice to post a Ref of what you plan to create , it could give us some ideas cause the material itself is very important , silk do not react as velvet , so the best thing to do , find your ultimate ref (real pics of course)... ...ok for you ?
__________________
Tom
3DFX Lead-director- Digital District . Paris
Tomaya is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-02-2010, 07:38 PM   #3
tonytrout
Veteran
Points: 117,190, Level: 100 Points: 117,190, Level: 100 Points: 117,190, Level: 100
Activity: 9% Activity: 9% Activity: 9%
 
tonytrout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 985
Real Name: tony
Default

Bonjour Tomaya Heres a couple of pics of what I had in mind, the vintage nightie is pretty spot on but probably without the long sleeves. It looks pretty complicated in the frill, and the other would be easier. In the second pic the part down from the bodice would be longer and fuller though more like a babydoll nightie, but the frill/ruffle is about right for what I imagined. Cheers

Click image for larger version

Name:	ppd-1.jpg
Views:	3145
Size:	183.7 KB
ID:	725

Click image for larger version

Name:	Image3.jpg
Views:	3093
Size:	61.3 KB
ID:	726
tonytrout is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-02-2010, 12:01 AM   #4
Tomaya
Senior Member
Points: 10,736, Level: 68 Points: 10,736, Level: 68 Points: 10,736, Level: 68
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 
Tomaya's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Lille , France
Company: Digital District . Paris
Posts: 278
Real Name: Thomas Marqué
Default

very quick test , could be something like this ?



if it's ok , it's easy ....
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	satin_ncloth_little.jpg
Views:	340
Size:	115.9 KB
ID:	727  
__________________
Tom
3DFX Lead-director- Digital District . Paris

Last edited by Tomaya; 24-02-2010 at 12:04 AM.
Tomaya is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-02-2010, 12:12 AM   #5
PascalR
Administrator
Points: 394,827, Level: 100 Points: 394,827, Level: 100 Points: 394,827, Level: 100
Activity: 50% Activity: 50% Activity: 50%
 
PascalR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Company: Industrial Light and Magic
Posts: 4,667
Real Name: Pascal Raimbault
Member Photo Albums
Default

very nice test Tomaya
__________________
How to display full rez pictures within your post

Please attach an image (could be small) to your first post, so it displays as a thread thumbnail.

Make sure to post the references you've used if you're looking for hardcore feedback!

PascalR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-02-2010, 03:40 AM   #6
El Burritoh
Veteran
Points: 9,518, Level: 65 Points: 9,518, Level: 65 Points: 9,518, Level: 65
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 
El Burritoh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Tennessee
Company: Magnetic Dreams
Posts: 431
Real Name: Tim Crowson
Member Photo Albums
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by PascalR View Post
very nice test Tomaya
No kidding!
__________________
"Subdivide and conquer"
portfolio
El Burritoh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-02-2010, 04:21 AM   #7
Tomaya
Senior Member
Points: 10,736, Level: 68 Points: 10,736, Level: 68 Points: 10,736, Level: 68
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 
Tomaya's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Lille , France
Company: Digital District . Paris
Posts: 278
Real Name: Thomas Marqué
Default

i can't resist , a little render test , in french we call it "frou-frou" , these are a bit too big but , i think that it's a good way to do this sort of cloth effects ... ...amazing ncloth !

__________________
Tom
3DFX Lead-director- Digital District . Paris
Tomaya is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-02-2010, 04:32 AM   #8
collings
Moderator
Points: 21,184, Level: 91 Points: 21,184, Level: 91 Points: 21,184, Level: 91
Activity: 33% Activity: 33% Activity: 33%
 
collings's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 441
Real Name: Nicolas Collings
Member Photo Albums
Default

man you rocks
__________________
Online Portfolio
nicolascollings.com
collings is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-02-2010, 06:03 AM   #9
Manuel Poehlau
Senior Member
Points: 20,051, Level: 89 Points: 20,051, Level: 89 Points: 20,051, Level: 89
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Frankfurt, Germany
Posts: 282
Real Name: Manuel Poehlau
Default

Sweeet
Manuel Poehlau is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-02-2010, 07:02 AM   #10
tonytrout
Veteran
Points: 117,190, Level: 100 Points: 117,190, Level: 100 Points: 117,190, Level: 100
Activity: 9% Activity: 9% Activity: 9%
 
tonytrout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 985
Real Name: tony
Default

Ha ha Ha, so cool, man you are good. Just like I want, now explain how easy ,please

Edit. Looking at the pics you have posted, I see you have answered a couple of my questions. Separate geometry, looks like the frill is constrained to the dress and the dress to the body. the constraint to the body looks quite stretchy, is that a function of the cloth material or the constraint, its made some nice pintucks at the top which is one thing Im after. I think you have constrained in a simpler rest pose, Maybe one of the pics is it? The pics you have posted is that your start geometry? I notice the lower constraints have moved away from the frill on one of the pics or is that part of the process? I assume that you have different NCloth materials on both parts with different settings, are you using the same nucleus solver for both or running two simulations; together? or after each other? The frill on the feu feu (great word ) is a delight, did you increase the self collide on that to get it to hold its shape, Im especially liking the seam curl on the outside of the frill, did it need some attribute map to stop it uncurling. The seam curl is very important for making it look real in the render and what I want to reproduce. I was also wondering about the ncloth scale settings, my attempts tend to look sack like and stiff even adjusting the collision and stretch compression properties.

The very best thing for me is that you show it can be done, and you make it look easy he he

oops me bad : frou-frou

Last edited by tonytrout; 24-02-2010 at 06:38 PM.
tonytrout is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +13. The time now is 04:09 AM.



Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.