Pin-up / PascalR

[PascalR]

Hi guys,

So I have been willing to do a pinup (I know so many on the web already) but she will probably turn into a soft alien version in the end.
For now I am warming up with updating my old generic woman model. Still a lot to do on the whole body, but here is a WIP

C&C are most welcome off course ;)

Cheers

Pascal


PS: I am just contributing to the challenge for fun and I am not able to win it obviously ;)

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Update:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtbP2z5VycY

[Richardr]

That's pretty cool Pascal, can't wait to see the next update ! :bouncy:

[tiktok]

nice start! lets make it a challenge!! I just started one of these myself just the other day :drool:
-Bayard

[Porkpie Samurai]

Looks great Pascal. What does your original generic base mesh look like?
Looking forward to more updates too.

[PascalR]

Cheers guys! I'll go ahead and cerate a challenge area as soon as I get sponsors for the prices. Or I could just bring people here for a weta workshop tour (just kidding unfortunately).

I'll post updates as soon as I have the eyes/cheek areas fixed (thank you Richard for your great live notes).
Will show the wireframe as soon as I get home tonight

Cheers!:dance:

[PaulAdams]

Is it me or does she look kind of masculine? I can't quite put my finger on why though.

[weiluntsai]

nice! for me, the human body is tough. sometimes you put too much anatomical muscle, but doesn't look great. can't wait see more

[Ganjica]

Is it me or does she look kind of masculine? I can't quite put my finger on why though.

Yes, to me too. Jaw and chin looks a bit too masculine. I'm not sure about the nose either, looks too prominent :)
But the whole shapes and proportions are there, it's just a matter of tweaks :dance:

[PascalR]

Thanks guys for the comments, I'll have a look at these areas as well.
I used Megan fox mainly for the proportions but I probably got mislead with her jaw open pose on most of the photos :)

Cheers!

Pascal

[Tomaya]

a pinup challenge.... ....mmmmh..... ....cool, an old dream , nice model pascal , very pretty ...:thumbsup:

[PascalR]

Cheers dude, I'll open the challenge section eventhough I don't have prizes yet:p I have been struggling whole weekend with installing a dynamic image slider for the front page(and still no idea how to do it) so no update on the model yet :(

Thanks for your support, will create the pinup challenge in few hours.

cheers

Pascal

[collings]

can't wait to see your pin-up pascal ^^ this one is coming along nicely :)

[tiktok]

Hey Pascal,
Have done a bit of web programming in my day, can take a look at your dynamic image slider if you want.
Pm me.
:beerchug:
-Bayard

[sebcravoisier]

ok! i think the clavicular space beteen them is a little to mutch and the face profile is "bizzar" .
do what you want but for me she look almost perfect.
not sure of my english sorry for the inconvenient.

[PascalR]

Thanks for the comments guys, glad to see people are liking the challenge :)

So just a quick update on the face, I am still not 100% happy with it and I want to fix small things all around, but hey still wip anyways.

Cheers

P.

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[sebcravoisier]

are you using maya and maya to renderman?:drool:
tell us more about you working pipline? what renderer,modeling, soft, reference (i remember she is a movie star) so! nevermind, if you want... only if you want Pascal of course!
we want to shine like you!:notWorthy:
cheers:thumbsup:

[PascalR]

Thanks Seb, usually I use maya zbrush mudbox bodypaint and renderman for maya.
I started using Megan Fox as a reference and then moved slightly towards Nathalie Portman, so it is kind of a mix.
Here is a maya wireframe screenshot (before zbrush sculpting)

cheers!

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[musashidan]

The head is coming along nicely. Although i can't help but feel that the brow ridge looks a little too masculine.
It would be great to see more of the great artists on this site enter the challenge but i suppose everyone's too busy. :mad:

Did you use the flatten brush on the nipples?? :drool:

[sebcravoisier]

i love the last question musashidan! :mad:lol
super mesh pascal like richard alloways say five stars!:thumbsup:

[PascalR]

Thanks guys, nah I need to tweak the nipples as well ;)
Yeah the more people we get to do this challenge the better :beerchug:

[Manuel Poehlau]

Very good start. The female face is so hard to get it right. Maybe it´s easier to judge, once she has some hairs and eyebrows.
I´ve already started my entry for this challenge. Not ready for a wip yet, but I can tell that I will go for a cartoony style. :)

[PascalR]

Here is the wip body, still needs work on the legs, arms, feet,hands,etc...

:beerchug:

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[Manuel Poehlau]

Very nice. For a pinup model, I would like to see more curves, but that´s maybe just a personal preference.
You´ve already mentioned the arms, legs, hands and feet, so I don´t have anything to criticize for now.

Do you already have an idea for your image?
For my entry I just let it happen, some ideas will pop up as I work on it. Maybe not the best way to work on a 3d image, but sometimes I like it when doing personal work.

[PascalR]

Thanks Manuel,

Yeah this is pretty much a generic boring model for now, I am just trying to get the anatomy look ok for now.
And yes I know where I want to go, I'd like to take one of Gil Elvgren paintings and make an alienish version of it.
So here is the painting I have in mind:

http://elvgrenpinup.com/images/LUCKY_DOG_1958_1_.jpg

I'd like to make her look more creature like (very slightly as she needs to look sexy) and have the dog more of a stupid drooling creature.

So this would be the goal here, but I'd like to be able to do different poses of her so it means a decent rig and cloth setup (which will take forever ;).

Cheers

Pascal

[tonytrout]

I like the sound of alien-ing her or her pet. I can see it now :) Great idea.:love:

How do you find sculpting first and posing afterwards, rather than vica versa? I think i remember reading your workflow tutorial on the zbrush site for the crouching lady. I find that doing it your way means that mirroring is easy for the hands face etc but that the bent joints can be a bit problematical for me if it has been sculpted to a higher level. I have used mudboxes sculpt with displacement map tool to transfer from a sculpted Tpose mesh to a posed mesh before with medium to reasonable results, it can save time for hands and feet and ears etc if they are not too disimilar

The breasts are bothering me a bit, the nipple seems a little low, or the underneath is not quite full enough for the weight suggested by upper half being quite inward, or the nipples should be tilting up a bit maybe, any way nice work. :beerchug:

[PascalR]

Thanks for feedback Tonytrout, I'll take a look at the nipples

I don't recall posting a tutorial on zbrushcentral, but I intend to deform the cage in maya using a simple rig, then update the high rez in zbrush or mudbox and fix whatever looks odd. That's actually pretty close to what we are doing in numerous shots, sculpting over the rig ;)
I am not sure I will need extracted maps here, but if so, I'll make sure the cage has enough resolution so I can tweak whatever looks wrong without going back to the extraction.

Cheers

P

[Intervain]

I like the idea of making her an alien hehe - should be interesting

[GregStrangis]

That is a awesome idea Pascal!! Will you just be changing her facial features and leaving the body as a normal human??

[Manuel Poehlau]

I´m really curious about your alien version. Nice idea :thumbsup:

[Manuel Poehlau]

I´m wondering what your workflow is to model a dense mesh like this.
Do you subdivide your lowres and work from there or do you add every edgeloop manually?


Thanks Seb, usually I use maya zbrush mudbox bodypaint and renderman for maya.
I started using Megan Fox as a reference and then moved slightly towards Nathalie Portman, so it is kind of a mix.
Here is a maya wireframe screenshot (before zbrush sculpting)

cheers!

P.

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[PascalR]

Hey Manuel,

For this particular one, I've used cyslice to retopo over an old model and then clean it up in Maya but I usually start from a very low rez model adjust the proportions, then subdivide, adjust the topology and if needed subdivide again, etc..

I am currently working on the feet, I will try to post updates soon.


Cheers

Pascal

[Manuel Poehlau]

Hey Manuel,

For this particular one, I've used cyslice to retopo over an old model and then clean it up in Maya but I usually start from a very low rez model adjust the proportions, then subdivide, adjust the topology and if needed subdivide again, etc..


Thanks for the info, yeah, I think this method is a lot quicker than adding every loop by hand.

I am currently working on the feet, I will try to post updates soon.

:thumbsup:

[PascalR]

just finished the shoes model, need to sculpt the feet now!

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[tonytrout]

Allways enjoy your updates :thumbsup: I have some reservations about the shoes, they dont look that sexy for a pinup, though they might be period. You have moved quite a way from your reference where she had open heeled slip ons...what you got in mind?

[PascalR]

Thanks man, yeah basically I went with my wife to buy some shoes that were looking old fashion :) I am going to do the same for all the clothing basically I want to be able to shoot all the photos I need for reference, so my pin-up will surely look different from the painting I mentioned.
:beerchug:

[Manuel Poehlau]

Nice shoes! The basemesh for the feet looks good, too.
Looking forward to the sculpt.
Beeing able to shoot reference pics from every angle is very helpfull for the
modelling,texturing and shading. No guesswork here.
I wish I could shoot some photos for my bat model :D

[PascalR]

Thanks Manuel, yeah reference is the key!

I've spent a couple of hours sculpting the feet tonight.

cheers

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[sebcravoisier]

nice feet! very great!
and realistic too!

[PascalR]

Thanks Seb! I need to add some details on the legs now and then think about alien design, although it won't be too far away from what I currently have.

Cheers

P.

[collings]

nice feet :) looks great pascal.

[PascalR]

Cheers Nicolas :)

[leslie.button]

You really took those feet to the next level Pascal! Looking excellent, and eagerly awaiting updates :)

[nielot007]

Hi
wow great feet !!
good luck :)
cheers

[sebcravoisier]

don't you think the girl of arohey in the thread named apoc can easily be in the pin-up contest
it will be very great!:rofl:
like this you are not sure to win the contest pascal!:p
ok it's a joke every body have a chance to win!

[PascalR]

Thanks for the kind words guys:bouncy:
Seb: if you read the challenge rules closely you will notice that Ben and myself are jury members and therefore won't be able to win the contest anyways ;) I am doing this for fun and trying to keep people motivated hopefully.

Cheers!

P.

[Tomaya]

mmmhhh... ...i say it in french sorry , c'est mortel pascal (awsome !)
j'adore tout ces petits details , les veines , les nerfs , les muscles , c'est du super boulot ,les collisions , les orteils ecrasés dans la chaussure , c'est top (just saying that i love all these little details , nervs , muscles ...top !) just one question , Z or Mud ?
:thumbsup: already veeeery sexy !

[sebcravoisier]

ok pascal sorry! i wont would be too serious but your right!
anyway tomaya say every thing about you foot!
you 'r doing a good job! you'r the boss! man! realy!

[Porkpie Samurai]

wow amazing work on the feet Pascal.:bouncy:

[weiluntsai]

what a lovely feet, so sexy
go go go

[Manuel Poehlau]

Very nice secondary forms. Still I don´t know how women can walk with such shoes :confused:

[Aumakua]

Excellent work Pascal and really fresh idea for a challenge!

[PascalR]

Thanks guys for the kind words, very kind of you :D
Ok so here is a small update, just tweaked things here and there, re worked the legs, hands, belly... But I think I will leave this neutral body exercise for now as I know a lot will need to be reshaped once posed.
Time to start the clothing :dance:

Cheers

PS: sorry about the crappy ZB ortho views, but I find the ZB perspective view looks even worse

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[sebcravoisier]

do you have sunshine were you are this morning?
in paris it'great! we have him!he is very sweet today
so your pin-up it's very complex to me to speak because i'm a little seek :bouncy:for now
but your pinup is great women not a pin-up sorry bye have good day father!:D

[Manuel Poehlau]

Good work on the legs. I have a feeling that the pelvis bone is a little bit too high. From the side view, maybe the transition from the breast to the shoulder could be smoother/flatter?!. Like in this gif?
Hower, things will change once it is posed.

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Arms need a little bit more work, but it might be better to do that after the pose.

[PascalR]

Nice one Manuel, I will look into that before starting the clothing :sw:

Thanks for the crit!

:beerchug:

[jclepev]

Hey Pascal, i think the problems in the face are mainly the jaw definition and the eyebrows.
I find this website as a good reference:
http://www.virtualffs.co.uk/male.female%20facial%20differences.htm

looking forward for updates

[PascalR]

Thanks for the link jclepev, interesting one !
Yeah I'll probably come back to the face later, I have worked more the arms and shoulders but I want to start the clothing for a change. I might just do a different head in the end actually :) But that's good to get this one right.

Cheers!

Pascal

[mushu_mushu]

the body is very natural, kind of 'everyday woman' which can enhance realism

I think it's the first time that I see an artist spending some time on detailing the feet without 'cheating' behind the shoes, well done ;)

[PascalR]

I think it's the first time that I see an artist spending some time on detailing the feet without 'cheating' behind the shoes, well done ;)

Then you got to see this one from our master Peter Syomka ;)

http://syomka.cgsociety.org/gallery/633983/


thanks for the comment :beerchug:

[mushu_mushu]

he he yeah i already knew this one clap...but we can't see the process, i hope P. Syomka will have the time to finish the wip someday !!

[PascalR]

Here is a small update just to keep this thread going and to give you guys an idea of where I am going with the lingerie ;)
Everything is low rez in this screen shot, lots to do!

Cheers

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[Aumakua]

She is coming along really naughty Pascal! Are the stockings geometry too?

[Manuel Poehlau]

Good choice :) Can´t wait to see the pose and hairstlye.
You will use n-cloth for the cloth sim?

[PascalR]

Aumakua: Cheers, yep separate geo as it wouldn't work where it is attached, if it was texture only.
Manuel: thanks man, yeah I am going to use ncloth to get the folds right and then probably some manual tweaks when I am happy with the pose.

Cheers!

P.

[tonytrout]

You have certainly been working hard on this. clap Nice work on the body detailing, she is realistic looking rather than idealised like a lot of pinups (ie longer legs, slimmer hips, bigger boobs than normal ladies have), so Im keen to see how you translate this to your vintage glamour concept. :thumbsup:

Im not quite seeing how the stockings are held up by the top, shouldnt there be a garter belt or something, or have you found real clothing like this when you went shopping?

[PascalR]

Im not quite seeing how the stockings are held up by the top, shouldnt there be a garter belt or something, or have you found real clothing like this when you went shopping?

Actually I have, but my wife won't allow me to post the photo references I took ;)

[tonytrout]

I see, Im not surprised :)

[Aumakua]

:D ofcourse not, that's classified material ;)

[PascalR]

didn't have much time to work on this during the week, here is a small lingerie update.:D

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[Aumakua]

Very nice indeed Pascal! I wonder though, how well are all these delicate surfaces going to deform when you pose the model? Are you thinking about multiple deformers/weight map modifications for the clothes, or simply refining in ZBrush and such?

[PascalR]

Cheers Aumakua, I'll probably use a low rez mesh for the simulation so it is not too slow but yeah I intend to do a lot of post simulation sculpting ;)

Cheers

Pascal

[Manuel Poehlau]

Looks pretty sexy already :drool:

Did you throw away the idea of an alien girl, or is it something you will care about later?

Looking forward to more updates :)

[Ken]

Yeah! she looks pretty SEXY! can't wait to see posed shot with hair!

I guess you probably can't have time to update the work, but looking forward to seeing next step!
Thanks for sharing the awesome wip, Pascal!

[PascalR]

Thanks guys, yeah sorry I haven't been able to work on this lately, but I'll keep you posted for sure. I want to do a human version first and then go with the alien one, good thing I am not aiming at winning the challenge as this is a long term project for me :)

Cheers

P.

[PascalR]

Very small update, adding some details on the front seam...

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[Manuel Poehlau]

Nice :)
For the curly part at the bottom, did you already run a simulation like Tomaya did in his test, or is it poly or splinemodelling?

[PascalR]

Cheers Manuel, those wrinkles are hand sculpted actually, and the model is quite high rez, but I'll use a lower rez version for the simulation as I expect those folds to retain their shape a little bit anyways.

Cheers


Pascal

[sebcravoisier]

she will be beautifull and very attractive at the final stage!

[PascalR]

Thanks Seb ;)

[PascalR]

Some stockings update... I would be lying if I said I am not enjoying doing this:D

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[weiluntsai]

oppps, I thought that's a real. Hope my boss didn't pass around.:dance:

nice work !!!!!

[mushu_mushu]

Sexiest thread ever !! clap

[BrettSinclair]

I think you missed your calling. Lingerie designer? clap.

Looking great. I look forward too seeing the updated head etc.

[PascalR]

Cheers guys, sorry no update yet as I have been working on Beethoven lately.
Hey Brett, lingerie designer sounds great indeed :)

Cheers!

[Neox]

cool work so far! but i think you could definitely work on the shape her... welll whats the word in english... cups? i mean the bra part around her breasts, doesn't look very smooth and organic and therefore not really sexy, imho

[PascalR]

A motion test for fun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtbP2z5VycY

[BrettSinclair]

Thats cool. Glad too see you keeping this alive. Is this rigged up in maya?

[PascalR]

Thanks Brett, yeah that's a crappy maya skin, a bit of ncloth simulation but mostly wrap deformer and baked as wraps are quite memory consuming.
there was no hand data in the mocap file so that's why they look odd :)
I will go back to the model at some point anyway.

cheers

P.

[collings]

nice test , it's really cool to see her in motion :thumbsup:

[maurodelia]

Nice and sexy !
The only thing i have to add is somethimes pinups are a little exagerated. So i would make her waistline a little smaler.

[PascalR]

Thanks guys for the comments, and sorry to revive this old thread but I couldn't resist to do a quick render test ;)
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[Gagan Jain]

More render :bouncy:
Pascal ur |sculptor|

[tonytrout]

Aaah so she still lives :D. The ss on the right hand looks a bit overblowen and the bum looks a bit cold on the ss but a nice cheeky :sw: render all the same. What renderer?

[PascalR]

Hey cheers guys, Tony I agree with you, sss needs a lot of tweaking, and I have no maps on the skin at the moment.
I am using mental ray this time, for a change :) I need to increase my env light settings as I am getting some artifacts on the skin too.

Cheers! :D

[sebcravoisier]

Nice pic! I need to try mentalray one day! A man named Harry will be proud of me! ;)
Thanks for this Pascal! But i'm confuse,
so a question not very important but viciouse!
do you use your wife like model?:confused:

sorry i'm unforgiven...

[PascalR]

Thanks Seb, nope I've used 3dsk photos for the body:D

[PascalR]

Render test, still need to paint textures!

http://www.cgfeedback.com/wipBackTestAgain/wipBackTestAgain.html

[tonytrout]

Motion render looks really good clap, the stockings and flashy material on the shoes are very convincing! (on a lighter note, her gait isnt particularly elegant, did you use motion data from a guys walk?:sw:)

[PascalR]

Cheers Tony , yeah I know what you mean with the motion, something I found on beyondMotion's website, I am pretty sure it is a woman on high heels though. I am kind of stuck with the motion for this test as I baked everything so my laptop could render this without blowing up ;)
Cheers mate :beerchug:

[PascalR]

Testing guerilla render these days, and just because I love resuscitating this old thread ;)
http://www.cgfeedback.com/galleryPascal/bas1.jpg

[BrettSinclair]

Not too bad. I think the skin looked better in the previous render though. Her bum could use a crease and plump :)

[PascalR]

very true Brett, textures are really bad too, I was more trying to get the gi working here and I did put a better crease on the bum , just had some trouble re rendering it :)
thanks for the feedback !

[sebcravoisier]

she 's alive!!
great render Pascal!